You have got to hand it to Russell Hirst, the illogical dimwit behind the BloodBan campaign.
If you pay any attention to the minor commotion he has managed to whip up in the gay and gay-friendly media, you would almost get the impression that his campaign to simply remove the ban on gay men donating blood has the support of the entire gay community.
Of course, nothing could be further from the truth.
For a start, there is no ban on ‘gay’ men. The ban extends to any man who has had sex with another man.
Sure, much of the gay media are obediently falling into line with the activist demands to frame reports in such a way as to argue that it is the duty of every gay man to support their cause – it is after all inspired by Peter Tatchell‘s long-running, ridiculous and therefore largely ignored, campaign to tell all us poor self-loathing doubters that the “ban on gay blood donors is based on homophobic myths that stereotype and demonise gay men” – but they still overlook the fact that the vast majority of gay men support the ban and are able to look beyond the hackneyed arguments – that anything that affects gay men adversely must be based on pure ignorance – to see that the ban is fair, is based on behaviour and sound reasoning and that the National Blood Service shouldn’t allow itself to be bullied into submission in order to massage the egos of a few disaffected shit stirrers who, if it suited them, would happily argue that an inconveniently placed lamppost was homophobic.
Those who oppose the ban tell us that we should be persuaded by their arguments that infection with HIV is now more common amongst heterosexuals than it is homosexuals. This is, of course, an argument that is based on a wilful misrepresentation of hard facts.
Whilst it is true to say that the total numbers of heterosexually acquired infections do in fact, by a very short nose, beat homosexually acquired infections[1]; it has to be remembered that the near half of all sexually acquired infections, that are homosexually acquired, occur amongst a group that accounts for less than five percent of the sexually active population. That one fact makes infection with HIV more than twenty times more common amongst gay men.
Now compute in the additional fact that almost eighty-five percent of those newly diagnosed heterosexual infections weren’t even acquired in the UK[1] – they were in fact acquired in sub-Saharan Africa[1][3], by other minority groups who are themselves excluded from donating blood – and you begin to substantiate the uncomfortable truth that a sexually active gay man is better than eighty times more likely, than his sexually active heterosexual neighbour, to be carrying a newly acquired (and therefore potentially undetectable at the point of donation) HIV infection.
Those who oppose the ban tell us that gay men are less likely to have undiagnosed HIV, because more gay men are routinely tested for HIV. But can they actually back that claim up? Of course they can’t. If they could, we wouldn’t be in the situation where more than thirty percent of HIV-positive gay men don’t even know that they are HIV-positive[1], we wouldn’t be explaining why over forty percent of gay men don’t actually know their own HIV status[2] and we certainly wouldn’t be in the situation where we are scratching our heads trying to figure out how to extend our current (and woefully inadequate) testing strategy to reach a much larger number of men who have sex with men .. or debating how spending an extra forty-four million pounds a year, to provide an HIV test for every single person who seeks treatment in an A&E department, would actually save us money in the long run (because every single prevented infection saves us half-a-million pounds in accumulated lifetime treatment costs).
Those who oppose the ban tell us that the ban is prejudiced because it isn’t behaviour based. But what could be more behaviour based than a ban that is based on your behaviour of actually having sex with other men, rather than simply being attracted to other men?
Sure, you could argue that we should only screen for those men who have unprotected sex with other men and don’t claim to be in long-term monogamous relationships – and that only they should be banned from donating blood – but we also know for a fact that what many gay men will tell you anonymously[2] is very different from what he will tell you to your face.
Look on sites like Gaydar and the vast majority of gay men will claim to ‘always‘ practise safer sex .. but they clearly need to get a lot more practice; because, when asked anonymously, approximately fifty percent of them will admit to both having had unprotected anal sex in the last year[2] and to having had unprotected sexual encounters with other men who have not disclosed their HIV infection status.
And it gets worse. Almost twenty percent of men-who-have-sex-with-men who claim to be HIV-negative also admit that they had receptive unprotected anal sex with a man of unknown HIV status in the last year[2], as had approximately a twenty percent of all untested men who have sex with men (rising to over thirty percent of untested men with the greatest numbers of partners)[2] .. and given that close to a third of HIV-positive men who have sex with men (rising to over 50% of men with large numbers of partners) had unprotected insertive anal sex with a man who was either HIV-negative or of unknown HIV status[2], the picture gets really quite worrying.
Those who oppose the ban will point to the handful of other countries that have now relaxed their rules on donations from gay men and they will tell you that this has been a unqualified success. Yet again they wilfully misrepresent the truth; because not only do all of those countries have very different infection profiles, but every single one of them has tragic tale of infected blood and donor organs needlessly entering the supply chain.
Those who oppose the ban will tell us that modern nucleic-acid-based tests are sophisticated enough to pick up recent HIV infections in those who choose to lie about their recent risky behaviour. Experience in the USA, where there are now several documented cases of HIV transmission through blood donations that have been screened for HIV RNA, tells us that this simply isn’t true. The truth is that even these of types of tests have a twelve day window period.
No doubt – like the Jew who dares to be critical of Israel’s deplorable behaviour in the Palestine – I will be dismissed as a self-loathing. Bring it on; because for every person who uses that tiresome old ‘self-loathing queer’ argument, I will show you a person who has bankrupted their credibility as a rational thinker.
Finally, let me end with two quotes from the October 2007 policy briefing[3] issued by The Terrence Higgins Trust (who, as Europe’s largest HIV and sexual health charity, provide support services to over fifty thousand HIV-positive people, mostly gay and bisexual men, every single year):
“We believe that the current policy of the National Blood Service is justifiable and was based on the best available evidence when it was drawn up. Unless a subsequent review finds that risks to the blood service have changed the current policy is sensible and pragmatic.
Our first priority, and the priority of the Blood Service, is to prevent blood containing HIV from being passed to patients who receive transfusions or blood products. THT has a proud history of campaigning for LGBT rights and against homophobia and will continue to do so, but we believe that this is first and foremost a public health issue, rather than one of homophobic discrimination.”
And in answer to the question “Isn’t it discrimination to ban gay men from giving blood?”, THT says:
“Gay men aren’t banned from giving blood, men who have sex with men (MSM) are. The ban is based on a specific behaviour not on sexuality in itself. A man who self defines as gay but has never had sex with another man is welcome to give blood. A man who does not self define as gay but has had sex with another man is banned.
Similar lifetime bans exist for injecting drug users and people who have at any time been paid for sex. Again, this is based on activities that may have put them at risk, not discrimination.
The Blood Service have to look at the balance of probabilities and assess statistical risk. They have a quantity of blood they need to collect and seek to take that blood from people who are at the lowest possible risk of having HIV. They aim to reduce the risk as far as possible for people receiving that blood based on the best evidence available to them. They do not claim to be able to entirely eliminate the risk of HIV infected blood entering their supplies but the exclusions they have put in place aim to significantly decrease that risk.
The Blood Service policy does not imply, nor is it based on the assumption, that all gay men are promiscuous.”
More on this topic in: The continued tale of the ‘bloody shame’ that could just be plain old common sense..
References:
[1] The UK Collaborative Group for HIV and STI Surveillance. A Complex Picture. HIV and other Sexually Transmitted Infections in the United Kingdom: 2006. Health Protection Agency, Centre for Infections. London, November 2006.
[2] Hickson, F et al. Consuming passions: findings of the United Kingdom Gay Men’s Sex Survey 2005. Sigma Research, 2007.
[3] Terrence Higgins Trust policy briefing on Blood donations by people at higher risk of HIV. Terrence Higgins Trust, October 2007.
Get a fucking grip you stupid wanker! Stop spreading lies you piece of shit.
Dear Andrew / andycam@hotmail.co.uk (not that I for a moment believe that is your real name and e-mail),
If that comment represents the true impotence of your argument, then you really must be having a desperately hard time finding any of these supposed “lies” – but thanks for your eloquent illustration of the level of
intellectdimwit that the BloodBan campaign clearly appeals to.As for getting a grip .. if I didn’t already have a firm grip, how on earth could I be a “wanker”?
Happy trolling, Arsewipe
Dear Mr Hunt,
I’m Russell Hirst, the illogical dimwit behind BloodBan.co.uk.
I appreciate the statistics that you quote in your posting, however they have nothing to do with myself as an individual person and that is the exact point here.
I am not promiscuous. Some gay men are; some straight men are. Some straight women are, some gay women are. It doesn’t matter what sexuality the person is – their eligibility to give blood should be based on their OWN personal lifestyle and not on the stereotypical view of their sexuality and it’s associated behaviours.
Other high-risk groups are at an equal, if not increased, risk of passing HIV into the blood stocks – for example, straight guys who have unprotected sex with a different woman every weekend, intravenous drug users, prostitute users – or those who have had unprotected sex in an East African country. Those people are NOT banned for life – in fact such straight men are never banned, even if they admit to having had 52 unprotected sexual partners in the past year, whilst the other groups are banned for only 12 to 18 months – never for life.
Therefore, why is a lifetime ban applied to me, when people in the above groups have a maximum exclusion of just 18 months, yet they pose the same risks?
The fact is that in this day and age, with the medical science available, aligning whole droves of the British public into ‘risk groups’ is not acceptable and should not be happening. The ban has been dropped in several other countries recently – it is my opinion that the only thing holding it back here in the UK is cost.
This is to the detriment of our UK blood stocks and is putting lives at risk.
If more money was spent on advanced screening techniques, and if donors were simply allowed to be honest, then any person – regardless of their sexuality – would be able to give blood as the screening process would eradicate any infected blood from entering the UK stocks. Then, the UK would no longer be ‘dangerously low’ in it’s blood stocks – which is the ultimate goal of the campaign.
The cost of this advanced screening could be offset against the savings made on the National Blood Service’s marketing expenditure, which with more healthy men able to give blood could obviously be scaled down.
If you’d like to discuss this verbally, please drop me an email with your telephone number. Although, being a dimwit, it may take me a while to figure out how to dial it.
Best Regards
Russell Hirst
Russell,
Before I respond to your points, I can’t resist commenting on the fact that WordPress’ spam filter claims your comment is spam. What have you been up to?
You claim in your comment that your exact point is that those statistics, along with the ban, have nothing to do with you as an individual. As THT correctly point out, it has everything to do with you as an individual; because you are still a man who has sex with men.
Following Peter Twatchell’s example in using weasel words like ‘stereotypical’ don’t do your argument much good either, because it isn’t stereotyping – it is about solid and incontestable statistical probabilities. It may be crude, but crude profiling isn’t stereotyping.
It is unfortunate that we have to rely on such crude measures to maintain both the safety of the blood supply and the public confidence in that safety .. and it is also unfortunate that you as an individual are therefore prevented from something you would like to do.
Your equally unfortunate and misguided response to being prevented from doing that is to cry homophobia – where there is no homophobia – and to demand an immediate and unconditional end to the ban .. and that is the problem that I and so many other gay men have with your campaign. You are crying wolf when there is no wolf in sight. Nothing you say will ever change that regrettable fact.
We can’t escape the fact that even the best (and still unbelievably expensive) testing technology still isn’t up to the job of doing what you demand of it .. so we are left with little choice but to use probabilities.
Contrary to what you claim (and don’t back up, but just expect us to believe), even promiscuous straight men are not a higher risk. You keep using this argument about the straight man with “52 unprotected sexual partners in the past year”; but you seem totally incapable of comprehending the simple fact that even the straight man who is staggeringly promiscuous still has a much lower probability of contracting HIV .. let alone contracting HIV AND not having any of the common symptoms of acute infection (which, if you read up on those symptoms, and check the NBS questionnaire, would disqualify ANYONE from donating blood) AND trying to donate blood during the window period.
The same can’t be said for a gay man .. even a gay man who THINKS he is in a monogamous relationship (and it is staggering just how many of us – myself included – become HIV-positive from within a supposedly monogamous relationship where both partners tested conclusively HIV-negative before we started having unprotected sex).
You could argue that we should change the screening questions to make them more sensitive. That has already been tried too (in Sweden), with the result that the questions got so complicated huge numbers of people with no significant risk factors ended up disqualifying themselves .. and people with high risk factors genuinely thought they qualified to give blood. That would have meant even less blood with a higher risk to the supply.
You are also ignoring the fact that lifting the ban wouldn’t actually do an awful lot to resolve the NBS’s blood supply problems. The donors they are short of are those from certain ethnic minorities (I notice you conveniently leave that last crucial little nugget out of your justifications).
OK, so we are still left with the fact that technology has moved on a little since the rules were last reviewed. If your campaign was framed in such a way as to ask for a review of the ban in light of the latest implemented testing technology at the National Blood Service (which they in any case committed to long before you even started your campaign), I would be right behind you .. but that isn’t what you are asking for. You demand that they skip the review, capitulate and just end the ban unconditionally .. and you attach all sorts of banal claims to the justification for them doing that.
I am sure you are much better at selling flowers than I ever will be; but something tells me that I have the edge when it comes to understanding HIV, so you aren’t going to convince me on this one .. and will I give my ex directory phone number out to a complete stranger? Now that would make me as stupid as I claim your argument is, wouldn’t it?
Mike
Russell,
I forgot to mention that the main page of your BloodBan site has two rather conspicuous lies on it. You state:
“Intravenous Drug users can give blood after 1 year. Prostitute users can give blood after 1 year.”
BOTH of those groups (even if they only accepted money once, or injected drugs once) have exactly the same lifetime exclusion that men who have sex with men do. That fact is available for all to see on the NBS website: https://secure.blood.co.uk/c11_cant.asp
THT also confirm this in the document I quote from in my post:
“Similar lifetime bans exist for injecting drug users and people who have at any time been paid for sex. Again, this is based on activities that may have put them at risk, not discrimination.”
If you check again, you will see that the twelve month prostitute exclusion very clearly refers to the person having sex with a prostitute.
Actually, it is three lies. Gay men aren’t banned if they haven’t been sexually active.
OOOPS .. make that four lies. It isn’t law. None of these exclusions are written in law (nor indeed any other statutory instrument). They are simply NBS rules that the person offering to donate blood, or bone marrow, agrees to abide by.
.. so, lovely as I am sure you are, I still can’t help but conclude that whole BloodBan thing is basically big on claims .. and so desperately short on substance that you have had to resort to telling blatant lies, and making up false facts, in order to get 938 people (several hundred of them invalid, because they don’t give an address in the UK) to even sign your little petition. Do you think that will give the petition much credibility when you hand it in?
Mike
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Good Morning Mike,
If you’re man enough to talk on the telephone, drop me your telephone number.
Otherwise, have a smashing weekend and take care.
Best Regards
Russell
Russell,
If you aren’t man enough to debate your lies in public, I will just settle for the smashing weekend
Have a good ‘un.
Mike